Please god someone help me.

Posted over 11 years ago , by Lostlight2013

Hi guy's, I'm new to this website so first and foremost, it's a pleasure to meet all of you! And god am i happy i found you! Let me tell you a little bit about myself. I've been fascinated with Astral Projection since about 2003. Have been trying to project consciously since then, and have little to no success. (I'll get into more detail about that towards the end). I've read about every book you can imagine, from Robert Monroe to Robert Bruce and just about everything in between and have tried just about every technique in the book, from "The Rope" technique to Binaural Beats. Nothing seems to work for me. I dont really know where to start so i'll just start listing off the brick walls i encounter.

1.) NO DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THE VIBRATIONS!!! - For me, the famous pre exit vibrations feel like i'm bouncing up and down on a trampoline, that repeated sinking and rising feeling. Well, no matter what level of consciousness i'm at and that happens, my brain instantly hones into it. No matter how many time's i tell myself it's natural, my brain say's "Um yeah, screw you guy i'm investigating." And obviously, once i unintentionally give the sensation attention, everything starts going downhill. I feel my light body start molding back into my body, my rapid heart chakra sensations slow down and stop and the vibrations fade...and of course, the experience is over. How....HOW do i get past that?

2.) Lungs can you breath please? Thank you! - This doesnt happen every time, however when it does, it can be a bit scary. I'll start getting sensations, i'll feel my light body wiggling around, i like to call it stretching :),  my heart chakra will start thumpin like a steam engine, everything's going good annnnnnnnnnd then "I CANT BREATH!". I feel my chest rising and falling but i feel like i'm not breathing anything in. My body feels like it has absolutely no air. Of course, my brain hones into this as a red flag and then minutes later the experience is over. Help please?

3.) I know i dont weigh a thousand pounds...? - Sometimes, I feel that  DO actually get out of my body. I'll usually come to, still in my bed but I'll feel extremely groggy. I have to literally fight to sit up, most cases after that fight my body will slump to the side and crash into the ground which then I'll wake up back in my bed, same groggy feeling. I might make it a few steps away from bed before my knee's buckle and i crash into the ground again and wake up in my bed again. This dance will usually last about 30 to 40 minutes of repeatedly buckling under the weight of what feels the entire universe until i finally actually wake up. I've done everything from asking for help to trying to get away from body but nothing seems to help. Anyone have an explanation for this?

4.) Why must you mock me astral body? - Finally, there have been 2 experiences that i can  truely say i was conscious enough that i consider them successful projections. Which i thank god for, because had i not HAD these experiences, i might have given up by now. My first one was actually stemmed from a dream, we all know the Lucid Dream story " AHHHHHH I'm dreaming. Boom, OBE." The second experience makes me laugh but at the same time kind of ticks me off. I laid down, it's a normal night and i dont even bother trying to project, i really didnt feel like trying. Within seconds i got sensations and then i just lifted out of my body. Obviously, i was a little shocked, i looked down and saw myself ( Final Fantasy victory song starts blaring in my subconscious)...then the most beautiful thing happened. A good friend of mine who died in 2005 was there, she was standing at the door to my room and we made eye contact...my heart fluttered and then i felt like i was flying through a tube and BAM....i was in my body again. I looked at the clock and maybe 10 to 15 minutes had past since i had laid down.

After the excitement faded and i thanked the powers that be for that glorious experience, i found myself enraged, here i was trying almost nightly for years....YEARS to project and then just one day i say meh, i'm done and POW full blown OBE?? I dont understand it. I don't know what i'm doing wrong. I know it's a lot to read through and I appologize for laying it out on the table like this but....can anyone please help me out?...literally. Thank you.

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nae8liss, I'm Here for Inner Awakening

Hey Lostlight,

Decided to respond to your post because like me you seem to have some different experiences than the books and pro's seem to prescribe, you also sound quite negative/disappointed, I think I might be able to help you out a little.

When I want a lucid dream/astral projection at all cost there is one technique I use, I lie down in bed on my back and just wait until my body shuts down. This can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours, depending on how well I can let the mental aspect go without letting consciousness slip into sleep (takes a bit of practice). The reason I mention it is because when I reach a certain point the sensations seem like what you describe. If you can keep your mind "small" enough without losing lucidity the body eventually decides to go into sleep mode. Certain Yogi use similar techniques, though they are likely much better at creating this state in less time.

What happens at this point is unique. Your body starts operating in sleep mode but your consciousness is still awake. This sounds awesome but is actually rather uncomfortable. My experience:

  1. Sleep paralysis
    Speaks for itself. Stay calm and relaxed, this is why it's important your initial position is comfortable.

  2. Huge vibrations
    The vibration effect will be larger than you'll probably ever have felt in a non-sleeping state, for me the chest is most prominent, head also. My advice is to see this as a sign that a certain state is reached but do nothing else. Don't do any exercise, don't explore or focus on these vibrations (not dangerous or anything but you run the risk of waking up).

  3. Breahing changes
    Your nose breathing changes, I can't explain what but the way it comes in is different. Also the amount of air you get is a lot less than you are used to, this for me is always the most frustrating thing, often because I start forcing the breath to return to normal does the state eventually end.

Basically the fact is this, you need to learn to be in this state comfortably, to be an observer. Keep your mental activity low else the body goes back into awake mode. Don't tinker with vibrations, don't stress over the paralysis and most difficult: go with the new way of breathing. If you can learn to do this the last thing you need to worry about is an exit technique, you will find they come by themselves, the only key is keeping consciousness awake without waking the actual body up.

Hope that helps, if you have questions let me know :)

Posted over 11 years ago

Lostlight2013, I'm Here for Inner Awakening

This is generally how an attempt goes down step by step.

I lay down on my back because this is the ONLY way i ever get anything even close, depending on my mental activity my body usually starts drifting off about 10 to 15 minutes of lying there. My breathing slows and my mind starts to trail off on some thought...i've found that sometimes it's dead quite and black, if that's the case i just bask in the peace of darkness, but sometimes my mind has some activity so i'll allow it to go with whatever's most comfortable. So...we'll say i'm in the darkness, i just focus on the black. In this scenario i'll usually aim for about the middle of my mental screen. As time passes, my breathing slows considerably, my body starts feeling very loose and light. Then i feel the vibrations...it doesn't matter HOW comfortable i am, or even if i've been telling myself a million times that i wont act on these feelings. Like the snap of a finger, all of my focus and attention instantly locks onto that. I realize and i let go, trying to put my mind back to where the sensations came from originally. But by then it's too late...i start feeling everything go back to normal and then they leave as soon as they came. At that point i'm completely conscious and awake again. It's aggravating.

A crazy way of explaining it is like, it's like my brain wont let me leave haha. I get there where the exit should start occurring and it's like my brain, no matter how many times i demand it not to say's "NOPE!" and ruins the experience lol. Grrr.

Posted over 11 years ago

Praveen Kumar S, Wake-walking in dream state

Hi Lostlight, welcome to the forum :)

A well laid out article about your experiences and its really nice to read :)

I would like to give you some advice before I start answering your points :)
Firstly, Keep in mind that nothing will happen to your while you are in astral plane or whatever you experience while you are in sleep paralysis. Books which you have read is all their own experiences and it may or may not help for others.
People say don't pay attention to your body while you are in sleep paralysis, but I say you have to pay attention on your light body because you only experience your light body while you are in sleep paralysis and not your physical body.

Lets start:
1. The thing you have mentioned is sinking and pulling effect, you must pay attention to it and you must increase the intensity of it. Which will help you to exit your body easily.
  check Gravity Press Exit on how to do it.

  1. This happens to me many times, But what I do is, I'll try to breath as astral body rather than physical, while breathing I will try to get out of my body and slowly I will forget that I'm breathing. You don't have to breath while you are in astral plane, after you leave your body, your physical body will take care of your breath and you don't have to worry anything about it.

  2. This is the one I experience when I sleep afternoon and I almost project 100 times due to this, you must utilize this, you feel like 1000 pounds because you are so much exhausted and your physical body don't have strength to wake up. but this is the time we have to utilize, only our physical body don't have the energy to wake up. Our astral body has infinite amount of energy to do anything we like. When you fall down from your bed, just try to keep yourself aware and try to stand up and get out your room immediately. you will experience awesome things :)

  3. Almost the similar experience which made me to believe in astral projection. You must have patience in order to do anything.

Except fear, do not ignore anything while you are in sleep paralysis.

Hope this helps, let me know if I have missed something :)

Happy travels,
Praveen Kumar S

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